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appealing to our allies to help stop the spread of extremism. today's white house panel featured representatives from 60 nations. it's day three of the summit against violent extremism. the focus or the president is prevention, stopping recruitment at home and changing the current conditions overseas that foster terror ideology. the sufan group says prevention is the most effective approach comparing the preemptive fight against radicals to inoculating against polpolio, one of the executioners who beheaded the christians has an american accent. take a listen. >> recently you've seen us on the hills. >> that's all we're going to play so we don't spread their propaganda. linguists are confident the man lived here in the states or was educated by americans. turkey has been criticized for not doing enough to keep foreign fighters from crossing its porous borders to join isis and now that could backfire on turkey. a turkish paper says isis militants are already inside turkey and are planning attacks on foreign embassies there.
the paper cites turkish intelligence saying 3,000 militants plan to join them in launching these attacks. meantime, the u.s.-led coalition carried out another round of air strikes today focused on syria's border region with turkey. the pentagon is vetting 1,200 syrian opposition fighters for a ground war against isis. iraqi kirdsurd have retaken a key city along a supply route and if the kurds can hold that area it will be a major logistical and psychological defeat for isis. let's start in d.c. for an update on today's anti-extremism summit. nbc's senior white house correspondent chris jansing is there. what are the big headlines out of day three? >> reporter: you mentioned one of them abby. that's prevention. there are a couple different tentacles to that. the first one is big picture, a message to the 60 nations and the coalition that has signed on to fight isis. all of them in various ways. he talked a lot today about expanding human rights about setting the stage that fights
extremism at home. freedom, economic strength. of those kinds of things. there's also another aspect of this that's very new in this war, and that's social media. and he's created, or at least expand expanding, a very small existing office out of the state department that is going to try to counter what has been a very effective recruiting message from isis, and in fact in many cases, they -- the messages that have been coming out of the u.s. government have been coming from a lot of different places including the pentagon so they'll sort of bring all of that together. they're bing to really expand the number of available things like tweets and facebooks. it's astonishing how successful isis has been. and then there's a second part of that, a searchvirtual exchange. they hope to get a million people online, young people all around the world. the idea is if you help them to understand other people other
cultures, they'll be less likely to hate them. so a big social media push although all of these things obviously are long term. these are things that are not going to happen overnight. that's part of the criticism of what's going on at this summit. but the president continues to push for them and believes that in this fight, that the white house has said all along is going to be long term you can't end it with a military alone. abby? >> chris jansing at the white house for us, thank you as always. and here with us now is former u.n. and state department senior adviser, david phillips now director of columbia university's program on peace building and rights. also the author of the new book "the kurdish spring." thank you as always for being with us. the president's speech this morning is getting a mix of reviews. critics are saying he was not as specific really no concrete ideas for action moving forward and dealing with isis. are these critiques justified? were you hoping to hear more in detail from the president? >> the president believes in the power of the spoken word. so when he's addressing an
audience and talking about partnerships, that's important. there have to be outcomes and deliverables. the office of communications and counterterrorism in which we're investing a lot of responsibility. as the interagency focal point on countering the isis message has an annual budget of $5 million. why in this stage of the game are we still talking about scaling up an offense that's barely functioning? >> that's a good point. the president also says real security in the middle east is going to come from democracy, from people feeling they have a voice. let's listen to a little bit of the president on that. >> we must address the grievances that terrorists exploit including economic grievances. when dissent is silenced it feeds violent extremism. when peaceful democratic change is impossible, it feeds into the terrorist problem beganpropaganda that violence is the only thing available. >> we need to change hearts and minds, create a better life for
folks over there, economically and politically. how do we do that? >> well it starts with human rights and accountable governance and we shouldn't underestimate the importance of women in these societies. if we empower women, they become voices of moderation and they're going to have an influence on the society as a whole. >> do you think when you look at this, it seems that this summit however compromised it is however small bore it is some of these critiques obviously make some sense. they're out there taking people out, cutting off people's heads, seizing land and oil. and we are having a conversation about word choice and other things. and yet, however small it is there is a larger theme here which seems to be a reckoning with the ideas of our enemies, many of whom look like the face of evil. and so there's no analogy to cold war where you actually had existential threats and full-on nation state enemies. yet i wonder what is your assessment given your work in diplomacy, what is your assessment of treating the idea
of these enemies so seriously? is that the right framework? or should we just be trying to completely isolate them but not necessarily holding conferences at all? >> what they're talking about in washington these days is a long-term strategy for draining the swamp of support. you can't win a long-term war on extremism unless you're focusing on education, curriculum that's linked to job opportunities, economic development. so winning this war, in the long term, is going to require a strategy. in the short term, you have an immediate security challenge. and you have to address that with a security response. that's why the work that we're doing with the moderate syrian opposition and kurds are so important. you have to have a short-term response to what's going on but you can't forget about longer term. >> i guess the question there, then and the conservative critique comes up short is how are you defining the problem? if you're defining the problem as any type of extremism coupled with violence right, that's like saying you want to eliminate all crime, right, or
all addiction or all human social problems? this is a region as israel and other states can tell you, that will have some extremism and some violence regardless of whatever you try. >> so the president's right. there's extremism in every religion, but the factor of the matter is most of the challenge today is coming from islamic extremist extremists. if we don't call it what it is if we don't establish clear goals and envision an end state we can't really develop an effective strategy. so we have to be careful in our choice of words so we don't label all muslims as antagonists. we also have to recognize that the challenge to the united states and to our allies is coming from violent muslim extremist extremists. >> right. >> i'm just curious, you said something a minute ago about talking about sort of empowering women in these societies maybe to set an example or something. how practically speaking does the united states, which in a lot of cases has a pretty terrible reputation, seen sort of as an imperialist force by a lot of people in the middle east. something that isis and
extremist groups feed off of the u.s. is meddling in their affairs, telling them how to live their lives. something that's a recruiting tool for them. practically speaking, how do you go in and basically say, yeah this is how you should be treating women? zblast >> that's why it's so important there are 60 countries at the table and ban ki-moon is there. you have to have partnerships. if the u.s. is the point of the sphere on all these operations, it looks like it's part of a broader u.s. conspiracy to keep the muslim world down. if we're teaming up particularly with countries in the region, it becomes much more effective. >> yeah, that's a great point. david phillips thank you as always for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you abby. now to a check of the storm cycle. the coldest weather in a generation is pushing its way into the northeast at this hour. new york city is expected to drop to a record-setting it ingting 2 degrees tonight. >> no. >> right now it's also all about the windchill, too. another storm will move in over the weekend with a wintery mix as temperatures briefly mod rate. oh, how about this guys? did you know that january was
the second warmest on record? >> i don't believe that. >> say what? >> yes, that's because we've been freezing in the northeast, they've been enjoying above-normal temperatures out west and many other parts of the world. go figure. up next, the difference one word makes in the president's isis strategy at least to a lot of conservatives. plus a deadly new superbug being tied to a treatment that's supposed to keep you healthy. what you need to know about that. what to bet on in the oscar office pool. not that we on "the cycle" condone gambling. >> yeah, we do. >> no rolling the dice but we do roll on on this thursday february 19th. >> gambling's good, abby.
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al qaeda and isil and groups like it are desperate for legitimacy. they try to portray themselves as religious leaders. holy warriors in defense of islam. >> osama bin laden was frustrated that al qaeda was being recognized and acknowledged and fought not as a religious organization, but as a terrorist group. he contemplated in those writings changing the name of al qaeda to try to more closely identify it with islam. he felt like that would be helpful to their flagging recruiting efforts. >> we can't paper over problems. and we're not going to solve this if we're always just trying to be politically correct. >> so the president says this is not a time to be politically correct, bullett then we won't say islamic extremism. >> to he won't. the policy debate over how to
address terrorism has become a political battle this week. see it there in that montage. and all over the airwaves. some conservatives are arguing the president's decision to focus on terrorism as violent extremism, without an emphasis on the word islam, is a kind of politically correct copout. they basically say he won't call a spade a spade. a point also made on the front page of today's "new york post." now, the white house counters that even president george w. bush agreed it was counterproductive to inject islam into a fight against terrorists who have no legitimate claim to religious values and by focusing, of course, on word choice conservatives have found a way to hammer the president on isis without offering a military alternative of their own. let's take the debate to ben goldberger, nation editor at "time" magazine. what do you make of this one is. >> well it's exactly what you just said, ari. many getting at the president for not using the word "islam," they've found a way to attack him for a lack of specificity in the policy.
even though it's not particularly related to the word choice. >> let's deal with the point here, scholars saying, yes, this group is islamic, they behave the way that muhammad behaved decades or centuries ago so they are perpetuating the sort of muslim islamic past, right? scholars are saying that the president and his group insist no, we're not going to bring that word into it for serious reasons. let's listen to a little of the president on that. >> we must never accept the premise that they put forward because it is a lie. nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. they're not religious leaders. they're terrorists. and we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. >> so why is it important, politically, to say it's not islam? >> well i don't know if it is necessarily important politically, at least domestically. you can make the case that it's
hurt him. in fact, there are a lot of americans who don't believe the president is doing a good job containing isis. if he were far more forceful and made the pivot president bush did after a while of trying to resist using the word islam, he might be able to marshall more support. >> globally it doesn't make sense? >> domestically it would make more sense. globally it doesn't help the cause to say they're targeting islamic terrorists. >> george w. bush to his credit went in the other direction after 9/11, visiting mosques, talking repeatedly about the need to be clear about these distinctions. when he did mess up and called it at one point saying we're going to do a crusade, he to his credit tried to draw that back. in other words, steve, what hits me about this is if there was a legacy here from what was the neo conservative approach it was trying to be policy based, not domestic politics based on these issues. >> well, it's interesting, i think, ben you were saying there's a difference between being the party that controls
the white house and being the opposition party. >> that's right. >> republicans are definitely tapping into something in terms of the domestic politics. the poll from nbc news last week, do you have confidence in obama's strategy on isis? there's a plurality in the country. 45% saying they don't have confidence. only 45% saying they do. you were saying this a second ago, you know, domestic politics it worked for obama. is that something he has to deal with, just accept, or thread the needle and sound tough the way people in the country want him to sound tough, have confidence in him while at the same time not stirs up international consequences they're afraid of? >> i think the white house really believes they're in the right in this one. in fact they're being more aggressive in some ways outside of his two political campaigns since the fight for health care re reform. i can't think of any other issue in which they've been so willing to engage with critics on the right. normally they float at high altitude above the air and sort of don't want to engage. >> is this an important fight? is this more than semantics? >> that's a great question
right? i mean, that depends entirely on who you ask. of course it is. it's always more than semantics in politics. >> why don't we ask rudy giuliani what he thinks? this is what he had to say about president obama yesterday. i believe he said. "i do not believe, and i know this is a horrible thing to say, but i do not believe that the president loves america. he doesn't love you and he doesn't love me. he wasn't brought up the way you were brought up and i was brought up through love of this country." i'm not sure if he's desperate for headlines here. look, i'm all about being able to disagree with the president and on a number of things all day long but when do we start really losing respect in this country? because this is about as unpatriotic as you can get. >> in what giuliani said? >> yeah. >> public defenses of america are kind of his brand in a way, and just like any company that needs to protect its trademark, he needs to act on any perceived infringement. that's sort of what he was doing here. >> why does he have to say that
is. >> what's the infringement? >> he builds his brand on defending america. he hasn't won a race in a long time, hasn't been an active candidate in -- >> defending america, talk about love for the country. that's the opposite of defending america. >> i'm not saying he was. he is throwing meat to the base. it's important to remember this was said at a gathering of potential republican donors. to a potential republican candidate. he knew he was seeding the base. >> a certain level of respect in politics. >> respect. all right. you heard it there. abby huntsman on respect which is also an american value. ben goldberger thanks for your time today. >> good to be here. up next we're going to talk to a reporter who went inside the anti-clinton machine and tells us what it means for the next presidential campaign. also what we're learning this hour about that new drug-resistant superbug that has doctors and hospitals on alert. dr. natalie is here.
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"cycle" medical alert. a superbug is being linked to two deaths at ucla's ronald reagan medical center. seven others have been infected. at least 179 others may have been exposed. we've heard of other bacterial outbreaks before such as mrsa but this particular strain is called cre, a drug-resistant bug that has medical experts nationwide scrambling to find a solution. here with us now is nbc news medical contributor dr. natalie. what is going on here? how did this happen? >> well, it's not a new bacteria. it just happens to be a bacteria that developed a pretty robust antibiotic teria is a normal gut bacteria lives in our bodies. some people can be colonized with it, they have it inside their systems but not causing infections, doesn't cause a problem. what happens when the bacteria which is innocuous, hanging out there, gets into the bloodstream, it can cause an infection.
up to 40% to 50% who infected with the cre can be fatal. >> how do beampeople catch it? how contagious is it? >> a lot of people may misinterpret what procedures are putting them at risk. the one we're talking about is an ercp which is different than a typical endoscopy that one gets for gastrisis and uler ises. it goes into the stomach, small intestine, shoots a dye into the combine bile duct. it's a specific procedure, i want to remind people of that. even though technically with other invasive procedures these bacteria can colonize. the one that we're seeing here mostly has to do with this particular one. and the thought here is that is it one of two things? is it the procedure, itself? is it actually the scope that's the problem? the way it actually has to do what it has to do or the way the doctors and manufacturers are cleaning disinfecting what guidance we've been given in
terms of how to do those things? as i understand, ucla has taken it upon itself to go above and beyond what we've heard now, this term, above and beyond what the manufacturer is recommending for disinfecting these particular scopes. >> can i ask you something? if you're a patient and going in for one of these procedures whether it's this specifically or whether it's something in general, i'll tell you the truth, i think about these things when i two in forgo in for testing. is there something you can do besides trusting instinctively, anything you can to make sure the equipment is safe? >> there's nothing you as an individual can do. you should have an open dialogue with your surgeon or gastro gastroentrologist who's doing the procedure, make sure the facility is aware of the application complications. they're waiting 48 hours after each one is used to make sure
the bacteria is not growing on it before it's being reused. every time things like this happen in medicine, of course, we take a step back and review our policies that are in place to ensure the safety of the patients. >> all right. dr. natalie, thank you for that. really appreciate that. >> absolutely. turning from, well, the superbug to politics. here's a question if elections are about the future why does the 2016 presidential race already seem stuck in the past? front-runner of the moment on the republican side is a dynasty candidate. jeb bush. who we've seen this week felt he needed to publicly declare that yes, in fact he is a bush but also his own man, a man who could wind up being the third straight republican president with the last name bush. there's also a legacy candidate on the democratic side hillary clinton. not only does she lead the potential field, at this point, at least, no one else comes close to her. pamela rosen, a national correspondent at "the atlantic" and out with a new piece entitled "among the hillary haters" and takes a fascinating look at how a younger generation is taking to social media to dig
up dirt much like the so-called haters did the old-school way in the past. hannah, thanks for joining us. you talk about sort of the clintons versus the right. i remember always when bill clinton became president in 1993, and i'm from massachusetts, this is a state that voted for clinton. i saw a car in front of us on the road one day a month after he took office impeach clinton. there was that resistance to him on the right from the very beginning and it turned into impeachment, turned into all these things. but that level of intensity that was there in the '90s, how much of it is still there now in sort of the post-obama era? >> like you said the clintons inspire a special brand of animosity in america. one thing i wanted to do maybe to get myself more interested in this election as you said is to see how it is different in 2015? who are the players? does it have that same baby boomer war? these are the draft dodgers and pot smokers that i went to college with and i hate them so much feeling. or is there a new feeling in 2015? i think it's slightly new now. >> hannah you talk about emmett
tyrel jr., founder and longtime editor of the "american spectator" who's not a fan on the clintons and write "unlike the nastiest obama hater, tyrel's clinton disdain has a strange kind of intimacy, like hating a sibling who was more popular, more successful more beloved by your parents and always getting away with something. when tyrel writes about hillary clinton, he adopts a tone of hostility one might use for an ex-wife ex-wife ex-wife." where does this hatred come from? it's not like they're good friends or related. >> no. pst a baby boomer thing. the best thing we can hope for in 2015 is that a generationally specific phenomenon that was limited to a moment when you had these two strains of post-'60s cultural america really at war with each other and now you've got a lot of political groups run by millennials who have a completely different feeling about the clintons. their efforts to re-brand the clintons -- they look at the clintons and feel bored
basically. what i was trying to do is see what's the new image, what's the new caricature of hillary clinton that they're trying to paint in 2015? >> one thing you point out in your great article is one of the big groups that will be in play in 2016 that it's critical to capture, white women, both married and single. democrats need to get them. republicans are going to be going hard feror them. these attacks, you write, make here seem more sympathetic. >> you have to be so careful when you're going after hillary. take the age question, for example. it insults women when you say hillary is too old to be president because she's not any older than ronald reagan or anybody else. you can really trip wire into sexism. so there are republican groups looking very carefully at walking that fine line of defining her in a negative way without trip wiring into sexism which will just bring a lot of women to her support. >> ari, don't ask that question all right? >> all right. thanks for that tip. the other thing that comes
through in your article is how personal it is for so many of those people. anger is not a strategy. obsession is certainly not a strategy, indeed it might backfire if it is exposed as opposed to the idea that people have policy differences that they want to pursue and press. and so i wonder you speak about the age issues of the different generations and how they feel about these individuals. can you speak to that at all in your time, just your basic time you spent with some of these folks? because what you wrote made it seem like some of them need to get a grip. >> yeah i mean, some of them live in the animosity paranoia camp. i think republicans are so sensitive to that because two midterm elections ago they really got in trouble for going overboard, looking loony and they just do not want that to happen again. and you have to keep a clinton crazies in check. i mean there are all these unsourced stories like you wouldn't believe about hillary clinton. and i think the trick is to keep them under wraps. >> all right. hannah rosen from "the
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>> yeah. >> "birdman" enters the final leg of the oscar race as the clear favorite to win best picture in sunday's big show which makes me happy because as i said on this program, "birdman" was the best film of last year. there's a reason why people who work on this show call me mr. oscar. >> no one calls you that. >> but don't just ask me mr. oscar. >> that is not a thing. >> you can also ask the odds makers who have installed "bidman" as an overwhelming favorite to win best picture. for more on how las vegas views sunday we have head odds maker an online gambling show pat, phoning in once again from a city called undisclosed location. pat, welcome back, brother. >> pleasure to be back. i hope you got it right, mr. oscar because i'm with you on "birdman." >> thank you, sir. i'm glad to hear you say that. the odds on "birdman" have moved considerably over the last month. can you explain to the folks why that happened? >> yeah.
very much so. over the last couple years, we found that the awards shows leading up to the academy awards are really excellent indicators as to what we should expect but the really great indicators for the acting categories are the screen actor guild awards and directors. generally speaking there's overlap there. who is in the screen actor gild or director's guild make up the academy that will be voting on the events. after the awards come out, it shapes our odds for the final event of the year and really you see a lot of movement. we had "birdman" as high as 14-1. now we have them as 1-2 or minus 200 favorites. >> wow, toure, you might just be right this year. pat, let's talk about the best actor category. eddie redmayne is one of them bradley cooper benedict cumberbatch. i'm rooting for eddie redmayne.
he won the golden globe, bafta and sagg awards. >> we had him at a 2-7 favorite now. we had him at even money a month ago with michael keaton as a slight favorite in the category. eddie redmayne's success so far has moved to his odd movement so far. we actually make a little bit of money if it's redmayne or keaton to win the category. our worst case scenario would be bradley cooper for "american sniper." "american sniper" for best picture would be horrifying for us it would be a sunday night or monday night football loss in terms of how much we're exposed. >> looking at best actors as well. a lot of talk about miss pike's performance in "gone girl." what do you think about that category? >> i think julianne moore is almost definitely going to take it. i did see "gone girl" with my wife. i slept on the couch that night. i'd like to see her. i think she did phenomenal.
i don't see any way julianne moore doesn't take it. >> pat if that is your real name let's get to the best director category. so, look you know i'm just a simple guy here. i don't always understand this stuff. the best picture favorites are "birdman" and "boyhood" overwhelming. i assume the directors are the overwhelming favorites. do any of the finalists for best director have a chance or is it down to richard linklater and the "birdman" guy? >> yes. him and linklater are two favorites. i do like wes anderson for "grand budapest hotel" because that was a great film. "grand budapest hotel, "gone girl" two of my favorites, "birdman" being my third favorite. so we don't expect "grand budapest hotel." i'd love to see it.
we're expecting "birdman." >> you talked earlier about being exposed on certain categories on certain petbets. what is the bet on which you feel the most exposed that you would most start throwing things around the house if it were to come in? >> again, if "american sniper" wins best picture, and, oh gosh, that would be -- you know what they might not let us off for the oscars to work anymore if we lose for "american sniper" best picture. it's rare an event like this would see a significant linlt liability us. we're not supposed to have liabilities on events as you know minuscule -- we're supposed to be offering sports wagering. for us to have the liabilities here is concerning. we think we're going to be okay. we don't expect "american sniper" while it was a great movie to come away with most of the major awards come sunday. >> pat, what are the factors that play into how you set the odds here? >> looking at screen actor
guilds awards directors awards, a lot of entertainment writers are good at predicting this kind of stuff and looking at what are betters like? we have to respect them as some sort of semi-educated marketplace when it comes to sprinkling their money across a lot of these events. what's tricky is "american sniper" was obviously a popular movie. a lot of at least, commercial success. that doesn't always necessarily translate. that's kind of the risk we have here just because it was very commercially successful we have to hope it's not the kind of movie that resonates with the academy. generally speaking a movie like this isn't one with akd-- we move them down from 50-1 to 12-1 because of the liability we have. >> i know you do the numbers, do the odds, try to spread the money around as best as possible. clearly when you got julianne moore at 1-50 and j.k. simmons also at 1-50 clearly a lot of folks are betting on them and
thinking they're going to win. so how do you make money when the favorites come in? >> at a certain point, if someone's considered that big of a favorite for us we have to price them accordingly and induce wagering on what we consider to be underdog picks in those spots. so with julian nerksne moore, j.k. simmons, even though they're both overwhelmingly favorites at minus 5,000 or 1-50 we actually do make money of both of those, induced that kind of sprinkling of wagering on other underdogs there. we want both favorites to win in those scenarios. >> can i suggest one thing here? >> please, steve. >> steve's gambling advice to you, 1-50. you have to bet $50 to win $1. here's my advice. open a savings account instead. >> okay. there's no fun in that steve. >> pat morrow. >> what fun -- >> i think even a medium term
bond fund would -- >> now you're getting risky. i don't know. >> wow. >> getting a little wild ari. >> some of us at "the cycle" highly encourage gambling. up next to prenup or not to prenup? should you write your own divorce papers? what should you do if your kid gets arrested? we have a lawyer to talk about those. lisa green. we want to hear from her. and how the president made visiting a national park a whole lot easier and free. steve's favorite price. details next. already 55 companies are investing over $98 million dollars and creating over 2100 jobs. from long island to all across upstate new york, more businesses are coming to new york. they are paying no property taxes no corporate taxes no sales taxes. and with over 300 locations, and 3.7 million square feet available, there's a place that's right for your business. see if startup-ny can work for you. go to startup.ny.gov.
back to the breaking news we're following this hour. police now confirm that they believe a suspect in that road rage shooting inging in nevada is in the home they have surrounded. it is unclear whether this suspect is the person believed to have fired the shot that killed mother of four tammy myer myers. a manhunt has been under way for a white male, 25 years old, 6 feet tall with dirty blond hair. s.w.a.t. team members surrounded the home believed to be owned by the suspect's mother. we're monitoring the scene. we'll keep you up to date on that. also cycling now, president obama just wrapped up a speech in chicago dedicating a south side neighborhood as a national monument. something that's pretty cool. also comes along with this dedication, the president announce add short time ago all fourth graders and their families will be eligible for free admission to any national park for a full year beginning at the start of the next school year. >> we want them to see the
outside of a classroom, too. see all the places that make america great. no matter who you are, no matter where you live our parks and our monuments, our lands, our waters, these places are the birthright of all americans. >> the every kid in a park initiative coincides with the 100th anniversary of the national park service. that's pretty cool stuff. in our busy lives getting out to a national park sounds like a great break from the daily grind. we go to work, eat ore veggies, work out, take care of the house and family we try to free pair for all of life's challenges. how prepared are you to face life's legal challenges? do you need a prenup? do you have a will? do you even know where it is? what do you do if your live-in boyfriend loses his job? if you don't have your own lawyer co-host like we do do you know the best way to find a good lawyer? we do. we called lisa green, friend of the show and author of the new book "on your case: a comprehensive, compassionate and only slightly bossy legal guide
for every stage of a woman's life." those questions are not only for women. it's always great to have you here. congrats on this book. >> thank you so much. thanks for having me. it's not just for women. >> everybody. what are the things we're not prepareing for, even those who have so type-a? >> that's the thing. women and men are type-a on top of things careers, preparers. law mostly hits women a little bit too late to react. like, what's the typical question? it's divorce. the time that most women first encounter legal system personally is when they either decide they want one or their husband or spouse has said i'm done. and by then you're just -- your head's spinning and what can always help in that case, but with kids, at the workplace, your parents, is just a little preplanning and some familiarity with general principles of law. i think most nonlawyers would say law seems, well it's in latin, it's expensive. they'd rather do anything. they'd rather put money in a
shoebox than give it to a lawyer. that seems more pleasant. >> lisa, these are things people don't want to think about, talk about a will, who you're going to leave your kids with, your live-in boyfriend losing his job. you don't want to think about those things. >> i don't want to think about that. >> let me encourage you to think about it proactively. the reason you do is if you think about the consequences of living with someone, if you think about the couple things you can do before your kid sets off to college to have a sense of what the rules of the road are on campus you're minimizing if not eliminating problems down the road. the kind of problems that lead to the midnight call from your kid who says, our limo just pulled up to the prom and the cops are here and we don't know what to do. >> yeah. what do you do if your kid gets arrested? and you allude to the limo thing. once the kids start driving, there's far more chance theyarrested. my kid is out here speeding show him driving, he's a wild and reckless driver. do we have that footage? look at him. he's completely out of control. but seriously, when your kid
gets arrested what are you supposed to do? >> well, it would be great if parents took a minute or two -- i didn't do it when my kids were young. i regret. sit down and look at some of people have already begun to do that. that's been the consequence of the news stories earlier. but you know stay polite. you don't have to consent to a search. and above all, establish a relationship with your kids so if they get into trouble, they call you before it's too late. my son called me at georgetown once. he was walking to an academic discipline meeting. i'm like go back. put on a jacket and don't say a word unless you were asked. if he had called me sooner we might have been able to map it out. i'm not an advocate if getting your kids off. if they're deserving a punishment, they should get it. but they should also know their rights. you bring a cell phone to school it's not always the case that the principal can seize it and find photos. they have to have reasonable suspicion. not too many high schoolers know that. it would benefit them and their parents if they did.
>> i got noise valgs freshman year of college. playing videos. it was a friday night at 12:30. everybody else was out drinking. we were playing video games and got in trouble for that. anyway, let me transition to my favorite subject, which st divorce. >> i know. i want to ask you about this. this is something that it's sort of, i think, a philosophical question but also relates to what you're talking about here. the idea of the theprenuptial agreement before the marriage. i saw this on a sitcom growing up. "growing pains." >> i love "growing pains." you want to be prepared. you want to understand your legal rights. establish them ahead of time. there's a logical case but doesn't it ruin the romance of the marriage? >> that's like saying health insurance means you're going to get sick to me. and here's the thing, marriage is a contract. and not to like suck all the romance out of it just some of the romance. you want to sort of know what the other side is thinking about.
one way a prenup can help all couples -- >> that's terrible. >> no it's not. you talk about the money and you get a sense of who will be in charge of what and what you would do with a family heirloom. if there are kids from a first relationship virtually every kid, no matter how nice the new spouse is, kind of looks at them with that squinty kind of you're taking a piece of the pie. think about house useful it could be to have the two adults sit down talk this stuff out and maybe say to this the kids, we've worked this out together. you may not get everything, but we have a consistent plan in place. i know it sounds a little bit like hard work but the consequences of ignoring it are so much worse. this to me is like never working out and then expecting to walk across the block. once you get used to thinking about the law proactively, it's really helpful. >> prenups are one of the conversations to have. i know that from going through it. often times it depends on what your parents tell you to do. thank you for the book. it's a great read. >> thank you. >> and up next big ben and
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there continue to be two big toir stories dominating the news cycle. terrorism and the threat of i sis and who will run for president in 2016? both are incredibly important to the future of this country, and both are important for us to debate. why is it that we in the media continue to talk about them as if they were totally separate stories. we go from reporting on the latest isis execution to who is up in the iowa polls. that seems crazy to me when you think about the fact that in less than two years one of these candidates in waiting will be in charge. whoever wins will decide whether or not to put boots on the ground.
they will be calling the shots against isis and they will be responsible for representing the united states on the world stage. that's a huge deal. sometimes we don't always realize that. so why aren't we the media, demanding more from these soon-to-been candidates. why aren't we asking them where we stand in the fight against isis? what is their plan to deal with iran or russia? i couldn't tell you and i'm guessing you don't know either. because either no one asked them or when they are asked they give a bogus answer like i'm focusing on the needs of my state or i'm not going to comment on that right now. then we move onto the next topic. take these two latest trips to london. apparently this is now the place for candidates to go to prove they have some sort soft foreign policy cred. all you have to do is take a photo and you're good to go. governor scott walker was there on a trade mission. the main purpose was to build up his credibility on the world stage. yet, during this trip he failed to answer any big questions. like how to deal with russia or
his thoughts on how the u.k. and the u.s. are dealing with isis. he somehow found a way to punt every single one of those questions. instead the headline out of this big foreign policy trip was this. >> are you comfortable with the idea of evolution? do you believe in it? do you accept it? >> for me i'm going to punt on that one as well. >> no. really. >> heaven fordid you have to answer questions when running for president. and then there was governor chris christie who also recently went across the fond proved he had foreign policy chops. that trip was described as a total disaster. "new york times" tweeted, not since mitt romney has a nonincouple bet presidential hopefulful taken a foreign trip with so much bad press at home. and the headline out of his trip had nothing to do with the big challenges we face on the world stage. the headline was this. >> the whole vaccine outbreak no pun intended on measles and vaccines happened when chris
christie was in london. and it was a big story in the united states. >> but you know what i blame the media in part for this. both of these cases are perfect examples f o the media focusing so much on the controversial sound bites that they know will give them some buzz for about 48 hours. so they let these politicians get away without answering the most important questions of at all. if a journalist cease job is to demand clarity and truth from candidates on the biggest foreign policy issues that we face, shame on us the media, for not demanding more. as the politicians and their campaigns become more and more scripted and as the reporter class keep looking for the questions to make a big splash i find it scary we learn about the president's policies only after he or she is elected. that does it for this cycle. "now" with alex wagner starts right now. president obama just tried to talk about the threat posed by isis without offending anyone. in the process, he seems to have
offended everyone. it is thursday february 19th and this is now. >> the notion that the west is at war with islam is an ugly lie. >> president obama today really gave a rallying cry. >> to refute the notion that groups like isil somehow represent islam. that's a falsehood. >> critics argue this is president obama failing to look this problem squarely in the eye. >> refusing to call islamic terrorists islamic terrorists. >> george w. bush never used that phrase. >> the talk about terminology, maybe taking up too much of the oxygen surrounding the summit. >> we need to address the social, economic and political marginalization of this challenge. >> and people want to know what will actually come out of the summit action wise. >> it's not a question of jews or christians or muslims. we're all in the same boat. and we have to help each other to get out of this crisis. >> this morning a